Tool for Attorneys: Present Value Calculator

Tool for Attorneys: Present Value Calculator

We offer an online present value calculator as a tool for attorneys needing a ball park value of a pension asset. When your client provides an accrued benefit statement, this tool can help you know how large of an asset you are dealing with – and how much of your attention it should demand. It can also help you in negotiations at the courthouse on the day of trial.

Our calculator uses the PBGC Method of calculating actuarial present values which replicates the cost of purchasing an annuity. This market-based approach is the most appropriate method when valuing pensions in divorce because it is similar to how other marital assets are valued. The home value is determined based on what it might sell for in the market. The value of a vehicle is determined based on Kelley Blue Book or some other market standard. The pension value should also be market-based.

If you determine that you need a written report or expert testimony, we can help in a more traditional way. We’ve been preparing present values and testifying as pension experts since 1985.

Pension & Expert Smorgasbord

Pension & Expert Smorgasbord

Hine v. Hine, 6th Dist. Wood No. WD-18-023, 2019-Ohio-734 (Decided March 1, 2019).

Issue: How should the court value and divide eight different retirement plans, including a state pension where a potential Social Security offset is involved? And what evidence must an attorney present to the trial court to comply with the guidelines established by the Ohio Supreme Court in Hoyt v. Hoyt (53 Ohio St.3d 177, 1990)?

Introduction:  Hine provides the most thorough airing of retirement valuation and division issues since the Third District ruled in Forman v. Forman (2014-Ohio-3545) five years ago.With some $2.7 million of retirement assets in play in eight plans, the trial produced over 300 pages of transcripts from the dueling pension experts – who, interestingly, were the same experts in the Forman case: David Kelley of QDRO Group and William Napoli, Jr. of American Benefit Evaluators – as well as the experts from two other cases mentioned in the decision.

Decision: After considering the testimony of the dueling experts and the parties’ arguments, Wood County Magistrate Michael E. Hyme drafted a thoughtful 90-page decision (Case No. 2017-DR-0018 Wood County Dec. 12, 2017) . Magistrate Hyme’s opinion was adopted by Judge Alan R. Mayberry. The trial court decision was then appealed by the defendant citing four assignments of error: 

  1. That it was wrong to divide a retirement account in payout status;
  2. That the appellant’s ill health was not factored into the valuation of the pensions;
  3. That the survivorship tail of the pension was not factored in; and
  4. That the wrong standard of care was used.

None of the assignments of error were well taken and the Sixth District affirmed the trial court’s decision. However, the most instructive elements of the case were not those four assignments of error. Instead, the detailed trial court decision on eight major issues (detailed below), the transcripts, the lengthy “Plaintiff’s Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law,” and the Briefs by the attorneys contained the most meticulous research and argumentation that we have seen in 34 years in the field, including our review of national cases for our legal treatises.

The eight major retirement plan issues raised at the trial court level are listed below. The trial court’s conclusions of law on each issue, which were affirmed by the Sixth District, are listed in italics.

• Is the PBGC market-based present value methodology or the corporate bond method (typically known as the IRS 417(e) method) more appropriate in domestic relations? The trial court chose the PBGC market-based valuation system deciding that “the court cannot confidently consider a compromise” based on a careful review of the testimony, the briefs and at least seven other valuation cases.

• Should survivorship benefits be valued and incorporated into either offsetting assets or the QDRO? The trial court decided it should not. Because a 50% Joint and Survivor annuity is a right that the non-participant spouse would have to waive at retirement, there is no survivorship issue unless the survivorship exceeds the mandated amount.

• How should Hoyt v. Hoyt, 53 Ohio St. 3d 177 (1990) be applied when drafting QDROs? In excluding the present values of survivorship benefits, the trial court decided to continue using the proportionate share (coverture method) as the Ohio Supreme Court spelled out in Hoyt v. Hoyt in which the credited service earned during the marriage is the numerator in the fraction while the credited service at retirement is the denominator. That fraction is then multiplied by a percentage to determine the former spouse’s portion of benefits (the percentage is typically 50% unless there is a government plan from which a Social Security offset is taken or the parties agreed to another percentage).

• What have other DR courts said about pension present values and incorporating survivorship values in drafting orders? The trial court focused its survivorship attention on the Cleveland case of Giuliano v. Giuliano (Cuyahoga C.P. No. DR12 343002 – Magistrate’s Decision Dec. 31, 2013) where the court found that factoring in the survivorship tail was a direct conflict with Hoyt v. Hoyt (53 Ohio St.3d 177, 1990). On the present value issue, the Hine trial court reviewed Forman; Beirele v. Joliot (Franklin C.P. No. 11 DR 1440 – Oct. 10, 2013); Conant v. Conant (9th Dist. Summit, 1994 WL 122193); and Reitano v. Reitano (5th Dist. Fairfield No. 50-CA-1993, 1994 WL 369412), where either the PBGC or the annuity replacement cost was adopted as the preferred method for valuing a pension.

• How have Title VII issues recently entered domestic relations cases especially in light of Arizona Governing Committee for Tax Deferred Annuity and Deferred Compensation Plans v. Norris (463 U.S. 1073 1983)? The Hine trial court found that Giuliano v. Giuliano case was the most factually similar case to the Hine matter and that case (Giuliano) stood “for the proposition that a woman cannot be offered a lesser benefit than a man simply because she is a woman.” The Hine trial court, like the Giuliano court, did not directly rule on the Title VII issue but raised the specter that if the decision did not violate Hoyt, there could still be a Title VII issue to overcome if women were discriminated against as a class.

• What directions does the Actuarial Standards Board’s Actuarial Standard of Practice Number 34, “Actuarial Practice Concerning Retirement Plan Benefit in Domestic Relations Actions,” provide to experts in the field? The Hine trial court did not dwell on this except to note that the standards were broad allowing for the use of a replacement annuity, the use of U.S. Treasury bonds of comparable duration, or a published index reflecting yields for high-quality bonds. Of course, the Treasury bond interest rates would typically yield a present value even higher than the PBGC method which typically is significantly greater than the corporate bonds.

• How should Social Security be factored into the division of a state pension plan? Both experts agreed that the actual, not hypothetical, Social Security of the covered plan participant should be subtracted from the OPERS of the state plan participant to adjust the percentage that would be multiplied by a coverture fraction. However, again the court used the PBGC numbers for the offset.

• What evidence is required for the court to consider a party to have a diminished life expectancy? Here, the court decided – as the Giuliano court did – that because no medical evidence was presented it had no basis to know how to factor in a diminished life expectancy.

Observation: Presenting good evidence at the trial court is essential, especially evidence related to the guidelines established by the Ohio Supreme Court in 1990 in Hoyt v. Hoyt which said that “the trial court must have evidence before it detailing the intricacies and terms of the particular plan.” As winning attorney Carla B. Davis explained in the lead article, “Hine v. Hine: Dueling Experts and a Treasure Trove of Retirement Research,” of the May/June Domestic Relations Journal of Ohio, her goal was straightforward:

“My goal in the case was to present sufficient evidence to the magistrate so that he could understand the method that you [QDRO Group] used and the method that was used by the opposing expert. I also want to show that adopting his method [opposing expert from ABE] would change how we practice domestic relations. It would be contrary to Hoyt in terms of the proportionate share QDROs that we historically use.”

“I relied heavily on Hoyt because it is an equitable division of marital assets case which discussed doing proportionate share [traditional coverture fraction] QDROs so that folks end up with 50% of the marital assets. Our Court of Appeals has often relied in domestic relations cases upon Hoyt in reviewing the trial court decisions to make sure that it’s consistent with Hoyt and with the statute.”How we can help: As you will see from our blog posts, articles, and upcoming revisions to our treatises, we have noticed that there is a major issue brewing related to how the Hoyt guidelines are argued and implemented in domestic relations cases. As such, we are currently working on a package that will provide DR attorneys help with dividing a pension for the entire duration of the case, including the drafting of the QDRO. We will be announcing the particulars of our DB division package shortly.

Welcome to the QDRO Group Blog

Welcome to the QDRO Group Blog

Since 1985 we’ve been partnering with family law attorneys to wisely divide retirement assets and secure a family’s best possible future following divorce.  After decades in the field we’ve learned a few general principles that have come to shape the way we do business. 

  • There is no substitute for deep and precise expertise. 
  • People appreciate clear and candid communication. 
  • Reputation is built by consistency with creativity.
  • Life-long learners are more willing to share their knowledge.

These are some of the values that have motivated us to start this endeavor.  This blog will be mostly educational though at times we expect to also post items of interest related to our business.  For more details on who we are and what we do you can check out

Our intention is to provide a resource to family law attorneys tasked with valuing and dividing retirement assets in divorce.  Having worked with the legal community for so long, we know the most frequently asked questions about retirement.  Not only have we answered these questions on the phone from our office but from podiums of continuing legal education seminars and from the witness stand.  

In addition to addressing some of the most common issues in the field, we anticipate posting regular summaries of cases that relate to retirement assets and even cases of interest related to other types of marital property.

Some might wonder why the authors of several leading texts in the field would start a blog.  The answer is simple.  Writing books is hard, writing a blog is not.

We recognize that as we present our views not everyone will agree with our perspective.  While we encourage comments, and even disagreement, we ask that you keep your thoughts on topic and respectful in order to add value and depth to the discussion.  We will moderate comments and will remove any that are offensive, disrespectful or irrelevant.

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